Sunday, June 24, 2012
After we are all Religiously Fucked to Death
In this already 21st century - in our schools, colleges, and universities, instead of more science and technology, we Filipinos are still being educated to believe that we need NOT bother to love our country since there is a better country we will all to go to especially after we all religiously fucked to death down here for the love of Jesus up there - Poch Suzara
Life of Fear in the Philippines
Indeed, when we allow one kind of FEAR to dominate us, all other kinds of FEAR will eventually dominate us also. And that is how we live in this only Christian country in Asia - with FEAR supported with more FEARS especially as inspired by the will of God more known as FREE WILL! Poch Suzara
Atheism for the Philipines
My Dearest Et al,
Everybody knows that 99.9 per cent of the men and women employed, installed, appointed, or elected to serve in the Philippine government are corrupt or easily corruptible. These college-educated faithfools would defend and protect first their position or their monthly salary, but never, would they ever - defend and protect love of country.
Nobody, however, has the guts to admit that there are no atheists connected with the Philippine government. Indeed, the corrupt officials and some other 1.7 million corrupt government employees all have faith, believe, love, worship, and adore God
and his son Jesus. As if these supernatural Jewish characters have anything to do with Filipinos in the Philippines to begin with.
For my part, as an atheist, I say this is a most favorable argument for Atheism to grow, to expand, and to develop in the Philippines. That is, if we hope to see and to feel that ours is an honest and efficient government of the people, by the people, and for the people. NOT for what is divine up there, but simply - for what is human down here. Poch Suzara
Code of Living for the Atheist
CODE OF LIVING FOR ATHEISTS
Dedicated to, as inspired by the writings of, - Dr. Jose Rizal
Keep the body strong that the most efficient work may be done, the greatest happiness obtained during life and a wholesome inheritance passed on to future generations.
Cultivate the mind, learning as many important facts as possible, striving to become expert in some particular field of endeavor.
Develop a scientific spirit, the essential characteristic of which is the search for truth in the light of evidence and reason. Do not deceive yourself or others.
Base your spiritual concepts on the basis of questioning everything. Be prepared to change your philosophy to conform to the consensus of scientific knowledge.
Conduct all human relationships in a spirit of tolerance and love, having proper consideration for others, not presuming to control or to dominate their lives.
Treat the opposite sex honorably, respecting their complementary qualities, with due regard for succeeding generations.
Endeavor to embody in the laws of the community the spirit of equity, sanity, and human decency.
Strive for an economic system under which each individual shall be rewarded according to his or her value to society.
Avoid the use of physical force for personal revenge or national aggrandizement, having learned from experience that reason triumphs while brutality degrades.
Hold yourself in readiness to accept new findings, new revelations, and new knowledge as a self-correcting enterprise. Poch Suzara
Saturday, June 23, 2012
The Ways of Frightened Little Children
In the bible: “Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” Matt. 18:1-4
Again Jesus said: “Verily I say unto you. Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of heaven as a little child, he shall not enter therein.” Mark 10:15
And that is exactly what we all are in this famous only Christian country in Asia: a bunch of frightened children incapable of standing up to solve human problems. We have yet to solve our social and political problems with consistent hard work, and not with childish prayers. Prayers are the ways of the superstitious primitives. Yes, we are all cowards in this morally bankrupt, spiritually impoverished, and politically insane country of ours. It is time to shape up and grow up not with stupid beliefs, but with intelligent values. Let us look deep at the power of science – now directing other Asian countries to extricate themselves out of poverty into enviable social, economic and political growth and development.
How could the Filipino mind, filled with frightful phantoms and guided only by men interested in perpetuating their own infantile ignorance and childish fears, make progress either as a people or develop as a nation?
In this country, like frightened children, we still believe in the silly pronouncements of other stupid children otherwise known as “politicians” and “theologians” not to mention frightened lawyers, teachers, professors, priests, bishops, archbishops, and cardinals.” As if they have anything truthful, useful, or fruitful to say or to deliver for the growth and maturity of our country.
Where is the sense of pride and dignity of the Filipino as a people? Why do we continue to suffer much despite our endless devotion to God and his saints? How come in this one and only Christian country in Asia since the 16th century – we Filipinos continue to have a limit to human intelligence, but we seem to have no limit to the “arrogance” of human stupidity? Even our college-educated men and women at home and abroad never fail to prove that we are, indeed, the Sick Children of Asia.
Now I am told that “atheism” can never become a way of daily life in the Philippines – not in a thousand years. Well, in that case, I say - let us put up the fight for atheism TODAY, not like a bunch of frightened cowards – postpone it for TOMORROW.
Even our college professors are just as childish as everyone else. They are just as superstitious. They still teach that what is essential for the development of the Filipino mind is to appreciate those things that are incomprehensible and therefore need not be proved to be true. Indeed, when our brain is troubled, we believe everything and examine nothing. Like silly little children, we all want to be afraid. Our imagination via our indoctrination demands it. We have deep faith in sacred mysteries. Indeed, we reject what is known, we would rather play around with what is unknown or even with what is NOT worth knowing.
It’s obvious we fear nothing more than having nothing to fear. We are no better off than the fugitives from justice: In our sick society, we are all fugitives from reason. Our favorite sport is to jump always into conclusion by running away from reality in order to have faith in our delusions and illusions.
In the meantime, my dear reader, it is time to wake up. Our prayers addressed to God are as similar in form and substance to the letters ignorant children write to Santa Claus during Christmas Season. What could be more “arrogant” than that infantile pursuit? For my part, I would rather embrace atheism than continue to have faith in Catholicism in my country. It is time for us to be a grace to the human race. Poch Suzara Twitter# Facebook# Google#
Friday, June 22, 2012
The Murder of our Curios Minds in School
The greatest evil done to us during our formative years in school was the murder of our curious minds. Look how utterly thoughtless we are as a Catholic people, and how shamelessly mindless we are as a Catholic nation.
Indeed, we are all born ignorant, not stupid. We are made stupid by Catholic education.
Especially in the Philippines where most of the existing schools, colleges, and universities are owned and operated by the Catholic church - it is one of the most highly profitable commercial enterprises existing in our country teaching us to be spiritually twisted as a people and to be morally distorted as a nation.
In the meantime, show me a Filipino who has enjoyed his schools days and I will show you a Filipino who is shallow-minded, greedy, selfish, insane, corrupt, and has more faith in a divinity than he loves his country. Poch Suzara
Thursday, June 21, 2012
Truth - What Truth
“Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable.” Bertrand Russell
"The sacred truth in science is that there are no sacred truths." Carl Sagan
The truth has been revealed in the bible; unfortunately, nobody knows which truth has been revealed. Or even revealed by whom, for whom, or to whom?
In the meantime, the truth can be found not only at the bottom of the abyss, but that the abyss is also bottomless. And to think that an inspired joker of God had the gall to write in the bible: "We will know the truth, and the truth will set us free.” John 8:32 Poch Suzara
Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Spirituality as the Highest of Intellectuality
The sum of the whole matter is that our civilization cannot survive materially unless it be redeemed spiritually. - Woodrow Wilson
“The learning of something new requires a giving up of the old self and a death of outworn knowledge. To develop a broader vision we must be willing to forsake, to kill, our narrower vision. In the short run it is more comfortable not to do this – to stay where we are, to keep using the same microcosmic map, to avoid suffering the death of cherished notions. The road to spiritual growth, however, lies in the opposite direction. We begin by distrusting what we already believe, by actively seeking the threatening and the unfamiliar, by deliberately challenging the validity of what we have previously been taught and hold dear. The path to holiness lies through questioning EVERYTHING.” - M. Scot Peck, Psychiatrist
Spirituality has nothing to do with silly superstitious fantasy, or anything to do with childish religiosity. It has only to do with the search of the truth via the power of our own precious intelligibility constantly aware of stark reality. Indeed, the search of the truth is man's most highest form of spirituality. Poch Suzara
Quote of the Month is by Jay Leno
The quote of the month is by Jay Leno:
"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"
I say YES, it is time! I also say that "it is time for all of us to believe that it must have been the Devil who created the mess in this world when God was not looking!" Poch Suzara Twitter# Facebook# Google#
Sunday, June 17, 2012
Atheists NOT allowed to work for the Government
MY DEAREST ET AL: Please stop clowning around. To label my ATHEISM as a psychological problem is a feeble, nay, a childish attempt to evade the fundamental questions of truth and falsehood. Are your beliefs based on facts? What reasons have you shared with us in this forum that proves God is not only GOOD but also so loving of sick Filipinos living in the only sick christian country in Asia?
Your desperate attempts to defeat my ATHEISM on these pages by subordinating TRUTH to your EMOTIONALISM has accomplished NOTHING, aside from REVEALING YOUR CONTEMPT as college-educated faithfools to go against my ability TO THINK; especially as a high school expelled student!
Are you people really that BLIND in BLIND FAITH? Are you people really that vicious, malicious, or meretricious or just that frightened like little lost children?
Why do you worry about my being an atheist? How come you do not worry at all when it comes to the truth that all of our officials and employees in the government; our teachers in school; our professors in college; our businessmen, traders, exporters, farmers, rice planters, etc, not to mention all of our commanders in the army, navy, and air force, etc. NOT one of them is an ATHEIST! In fact, all of them believe, love, adore, and have faith in God!
In the meantime, we are repeatedly told by our religious leaders that ONLY GOD CAN SOLVE OUR SOCIAL ILLS! Poch Suzara
To All Catholic Priests throughout the Philippines
To all Catholic Priests throughout the Philippines: - HAPPY FATHER'S DAY. And may all of your sons and daughters continue to be happily installed in the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches of our government. Poch suzara
Friday, June 15, 2012
Our Misplaced Love as a People and as a Nation
My dearest et al,
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. ”Matthew 22:36-40
It is incredible how Jesus himself could not see his way clear that in view of the time and energy needed to follow the first commandment - very little time and energy are left for any of us to love our mother and father, brothers and sisters, nay, to love also our neighbor. In fact, this is how sick we are as the SICK CHILDREN OF ASIA - we have neither the time nor energy to love each other as Filipinos in the Philippines. We only have love for Jesus on earth as he is in heaven.
I said it before, I say it again: It is time in this already 21st century to dump this obsolete Jewish Jesus hogwash! Poch Suzara
I love and Respect Ripley, NOT JESUS
I love and respect Ripley more than I care to love and respect Jesus. To the best of my knowledge, Ripley has never, not even once, threatened me with eternal punishment in hell if I refuse to believe any of his down to earth BELIEVE IT OR NOT proposals. Poch Suzara
Thursday, June 14, 2012
Sometimes I Regret that I am an Atheist
Sometimes, I do regret that I am an atheist. I should have been an existentialist - they declare that even if God did exists, that would change nothing. Especially in the Philippines - even if there is a God - we would still be spiritually fucked as a people and morally fucked as a nation. Poch Suzara
I DID NOT FAIL IN SCHOOL
I did not fail in school. My school failed me. It also failed my country. As a grade school student I already had my suspicions that there is more to life than just learning how to pray daily, weekly, monthly,and yearly to: ST JOHN BAPTIST DE LA SALLE, PRAY FOR US. LIVE JESUS IN OUR HEARTS, FOREVER. No, De La Salle university did not expel me. Rather, I expelled myself out of that insane situation hardly known in the Philippines as "our sick system of education."
Take a good look at the evils that's keeping our country poor and backward. Such evils all come from our sick system of education under the tax-free supervision by the Catholic church in the Philippines. Indeed, schools, colleges, and universities owned by the Catholic church are not educational institutions. They are commercial enterprises. Again, take a good look at our college-educated men and women. They are more at home loving God up there by hating our country down here.
Oh yes, the holy bible is very clear on this issue. Listen to God, the Father of Jesus, warning: "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." 1 John 2:15.
Now listen to the Son of God, Jesus, declaring: "If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethern, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
In the meantime, for as long we have poverty, perversity, corruption, insanity, daily prayers, dancers, singers, preachers, faith-healers, sex dealers, street walkers, swindlers, land grabbers, squatters, baby breeders, lotto losers, frightened teachers, corrupt traders, income tax evaders, law-breakers, corrupt law-makers, Jesus is the Lord movers, indeed, as long as we remain aimless as a people, and faithfully stay rudderless as a nation - "IT IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES." Poch Suzara
Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Salvation at the Expense of Civilization
You can have tons of religion without an ounce of salvation." Philippine Star June 14, 2012
Sadly, in the Philippines, we do, indeed, have tons of religion; but hardly an ounce of civilization. Poch Suzara
Monday, June 11, 2012
With Stupid Prayers is there Hope for our country
The question I asked decades ago, I still am asking today: Is there hope for our country? Yes, with intelligent leaders producing more leaders! There will never be HOPE, however, if we just carry on as stupid followers!
After all, daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly - we Filipinos have not ceased to believe and to have faith in the power of prayer. Thus far, however, the result of our endless prayers is only that we must continue to pray endlessly.
In the meantime, if God or Jesus answered our prayers to cure corruption out of our sick society, how come corruption is still a disease that afflicts every man, woman, and child in the Philippines? Indeed, if prayers were efficient or reliable all of us would stay young, healthy, attractive, learned, sane, kind, loving, intelligent, and rich in spirit. But we live in a sick, rotten, and a decadent society due to, if not because of our stupid faith in the stupid power behind stupid prayer. Poch Suzara
Saturday, June 09, 2012
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOSE RIZAL
HAPPY BIRTHDAY - JOSE RIZAL ( OUR UNREAD AND UNLOVED NATIONAL HERO )
You gave your life for our country's intellectual development. Indeed,
for us Filipinos to be free-minded individuals so that we too may love our country. So, on the anniversary of your birth on June 19, I should wish to report to you what's happening to our people and to our country.
Sadly there is little progress on both fronts since your church-orchestrated death; including the deathbed extraction or faking of your alleged retraction. Our country is still stuck in Third World mentality. Its now horribly bloated 100 million inhabitants ( 7 million in your time) still score comparatively low in world rankings in science and technology achievements. This goes for last year also.
What is a sin for our women is contraception. And what, however, is still a virtue is self-deception. It is still inspired by divine revelation. Thanks to our corrupt system of education.
In the recent impeachment trial the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,a Filipino more devoted not to love of country, but love only divinity under Christianity - Mass, daily prayer, and money - this God-fearing Filipino, was found guilty of violating public trust and culpable violation of the constitution. He has been removed from office. This development, the removal of one top government official, is, however, just the tip of the corrupt iceberg. There is still so much fraud, farce, ceremony, and thieving at all levels of our sick society. Corrupt government officials usually operate like a gang of hoodlums. They defend and protect each other inside or outside the court of Law. It is otherwise more known as the "due process of the law."
Oh yes, your old and powerful enemy who had you falsely arrested, incarcerated, publicly executed are still here reigning in authority. They are still in control of the minds and hearts of our people; especially our women - the molded products of schools, colleges, and universities, owned and controlled or influenced by them. They still indoctrinate our youth in wasteful religious studies and rituals, especially in how to pray ever harder for divine miracles. Never mind concentrating on the facts and analyzing them in order to creatively solve real problems. Imagine the absurdity of inculcating habits of reaching out to fantasy solutions to solve real problems. Such faith-filled training orients our youth to downplay life on this earth in wasted preference and preparations for an imaginary better life to come after death.
The Catholic charity activities in our country is active as ever . The results are more of the same this year as it was during the previous years. The charity recipients are getting poorer and poorer; while the charity organizations are getting richer and richer. In the meantime, just in Metro Manila alone - hundreds
of thousands of Filipino families live off garbage in garbage dumps. They salvage what is sellable materials off dirty rivers, clogged esteros, and polluted lakes. No one in the government or in the church - cares. We are all reminded that God will provide for them! If not on this earth, in God's kingdom in the next world.
In the meantime, politics and religion in our country are still not separated, but illicitly happy integrated together. The results too are more of the same old economic story: no prosperity, but only more of the same poverty spreading misery in our insane society. In the meantime, the sinners and criminals in our country are always reminded that no matter what sins or crimes they commit, there is always available from God, at any time, the forgiveness of sin and the pardon of crime!
Yes sir, as it was during your time, it is still the same at this time: The only kind of salvation we Filipinos need is the salvation from fear and ignorance! Both evils are the curse and the cause of all our endless problems as a people, and our endless troubles as a nation!
Our editors and columnists in the print media would readily write on the evils of politics; but would hardly write as well on the greater evils of religion. Indeed, stupid religion that is keeping us Filipinos intellectually impoverished as a people, and keeping the Philippines economically malnourished as a nation.
Yes sir, we Filipinos continue to be the victims of indoctrination you had exposed and denounced. We are not the masters of education. We are still stuck into the Third World religious way of believing. We have yet to progress into the thorough scientific way of thinking that you emphatically favored and championed in your writings. Imagine: most educated Filipinos still do not care to read serious books. In fact I and close friends have not yet met a Filipino student or graduate who has seriously read your works. Remember your most critical satire on God, Jesus, Mary, Friars and Filipinos? Practically no one until now has even heard of it. Likewise, hardly anyone has even heard of that e-book talked about in the Internet that has proven the falsehood of your alleged retraction. It's as if no one cares to emulate your great personality and its depths. We have yet to allow science and clear thinking to transform ourselves into becoming dignified men and self-respecting women. We have yet to be capable of solving our problems not with infantile faith, but with the power of reason and science-oriented investigations.
It is very painful to admit that millions of us Filipinos continue to contribute daily to keeping our own country poor, backward, unloved in effect. Nevertheless rich only in blind faith to carry on our traditional defects. Especially as we hardly reflect. We are only inspired to genuflect. You wrote a lot about these issues, which you called "lamentable nurtured defects and predispositions". But hardly any Filipino learns this from you, ironically their number one national hero.
The mislabeled "pro-life" believers running and over-populating our sick society continue to insist that we have no population problem in our country today. They insist that there is enough to provide Filipinos with adequate food, housing, and schooling, even if our population reaches 200 million Filipinos. Even if that would wipe out many animal and plant species and much of our protective ecology. After all, we are still told - God loves us. There is always Jesus - our Savior. And so, in the Philippines today, an average of 3 babies are born every minute of the day or 1.8 million yearly. When they grow up, if at all, such children are also taught in schools to refer to Jesus in the bible for the moral guidance. Thus, we continue to be infamous as the Sick Man of Asia. Or, better said, we're getting more famous as the Sick Children of Asia. Instead of evolution to redefine our culture, we only have more of the same ancient revelation to further damage our institutions. Indeed, "It's More Fun in the Philippines." Our population growth is forcing a fantastic rise in malnutrition and illiteracy keeping us entertained as a people and faithfully wayward as a nation.
Sir, again this year, as it was during the previous years, the faith-soaked politicians in government 'serve' our country not by telling the bitter truth, but by telling seductive sweeter lies. Like the official inflation and unemployment rates, which are always much understated and sugar-coated. Ours continue to be a government of the corrupt, by the corrupt, and for the corrupt. And we inhabitants as members of our respected churches are nurtured to always vote them into their high offices. Such horrors come nurtured from our schools, colleges, and universities. Millions of our college educated men and women are working not for our national growth and maturity, but are employed in foreign countries. Such Filipino emigrants enjoy the wealth of real education in such foreign countries. The kind of wealth that comes from science which is all about the courage to think, to question, to change, to grow, and to develop under a fearless, self-correcting enterprise. Indeed, science that shows people how to live the good life - how to be inspired by love and guided by the power of knowledge.
My dear Sir, you were certainly a real hero during your century. Today, in our own century, instead of heroes in our God-fearing country we only have God-fearing politicians indoctrinated to have more faith in our blind Christian faith. They neither read enough for today's necessary quantum of knowledge nor make use of its power and diffusion. None of them, I dare to say, reads your works seriously and heeds them, which makes me wonder how you became our number one national hero. Our politicians would readily pray to a foreign divinity to remedy the traditional ills of our sick society. They do not pay any serious attention to remedy the rotten core that pretty much generate our corrupt system of education - the root cause of our daily way of confusion as a people and yearly delusion as a nation deprived of any critical science-guided sense of direction.
Dearest Sir, Happy Birthday! I respect you. I admire you. I love you! Yes Sir, thanks to you, a few of us have managed to see and think through the evils of your enemy--reason-deadening faith in Christian values and beliefs. Especially the theocratic Catholic kind you fought and got killed you. Through reading your church-critical works and essays, we know what it means to love our country and to always be on the side of our fellow-countrymen, not for what we Filipinos are today, but for the free-minded reading Filipinos we can become tomorrow. Alas, you also repeatedly said something like that in your church-condemned and religiously suppressed writings. But better late than never. May we, the people, discover more of ourselves via discovering you as the most courageous Filipino thinker this world has ever produced. Yours sincerely, Poch Suzara
Wednesday, June 06, 2012
Greeting from a Humanist/Atheist
I am a humanist and an atheist who cares. If I had the power of a Jesus in the New testament, I would not cure one person of blindness, I would eliminate blindness out of this world totally. I would not cure one person of leprosy. I would abolish not only leprosy, but abolish all other kinds of diseases out of this world by simply - making health contagious. On top of it all - I would make all marriage between man and woman happy as husband and wife to each other, and even happier as father and mother to their children. In this way, the troubles and problems in this world, our world, need not be rooted in the human family derailed. Poch Suzara
Bertrand Russell as a HAPPY MAN
There was this accusation made by one of our contributors, who posted in our website and claimed that Bertrand Russell had been unhappy with his life because he had been married four times. This is contrary to what Bertrand Russell wrote to his wife, during the late years of his life as follows:
To Edith
Through the long years
I sought peace
I found ecstasy, I found anguish,
I found madness,
I found loneliness,
I found the solitary pain
that gnaws the heart,
But peace I did not find.
Now, old & near my end,
I have known you,
And, knowing you,
I have found both ecstasy & peace
I know rest
After so many lonely years.
I know what life & love may be.
Now, if I sleep
I shall sleep fulfilled.
Bertrand Russell
The Prologue to Bertrand Russell's Autobiography
What I Have Lived For
Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.
With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
If Bertrand Russel had been unhappy during the early part of his life, not because of his failed marriages, but what he found in this world: "anguish, madness, loneliness and the solitary pain that gnaws the heart"
And in the "The Prologue" he wrote:This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me. Is this the words of an unhappy man? Poch Suzara
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